tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6521229482537361840.post6780185119971259845..comments2024-02-20T09:10:35.971-05:00Comments on Fuggled: Porter Point ProvenAlistair Reecehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6521229482537361840.post-14546999852702415002010-09-27T11:52:28.854-04:002010-09-27T11:52:28.854-04:00beerandscifi,
yes Baltic Porter is a sub set of p...beerandscifi,<br /><br />yes Baltic Porter is a sub set of porter. Historically speaking, Baltic Porter was a top fermented beer inspired by the strong porters that were shipped from Britain to the Baltic region, where local brewers started making their own versions. In the 19th century these brewers converted to the new bottom fermentation method and thus Baltic Porter became the lager that it is today. I do believe that some breweries, in Sweden if I recall, maintain the top fermenting tradition with Baltic Porter.<br /><br />I have only had two black IPAs, Dogzilla Black IPA, which I wrote about almost a year ago, and a collaboration beer made by the brewers on the Brew Ridge Trail here in Virginia. Interestingly, when I mixed stout with an American IPA and did a blind tasting with a few people, not one of them could differentiate between the black IPA and the stout/IPA mix.<br /><br />Jamey,<br /><br />Thanks, I was really shocked at getting medals at all! Perhaps for another experiment I should use a traditional robust porter malt bill, replace the hops with some American hops and enter it in Cat 23 as a Black IPA? American Export India Porter I think would be a good style to have under American porter.<br /><br />Eric, James and Jamey,<br /><br />Well done on your medals!Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6521229482537361840.post-42166982008761710782010-09-27T10:54:32.044-04:002010-09-27T10:54:32.044-04:00You didn't use NW hops so you didn't make ...You didn't use NW hops so you didn't make a CDA or BIPA, or whatever you want to call it. You can't use the British equivalents because there are none that give the right flavor profiles. Would you also say that a Baltic Porter is a bastardization of a porter? What about other styles that are so close to each it would be difficult to tell them apart? With a black ipa you're supposed to try to minimize the roasted malts while keeping it black. Gimmicky? Maybe a little, but when it's pulled off well it will knock your socks off.<br /><br />Where did you pick up your Widmer 10? I'm wondering if some of the hop profiles had died out during transport.beerandscifihttp://beerandscifi.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6521229482537361840.post-6022612788766345522010-09-27T10:24:32.084-04:002010-09-27T10:24:32.084-04:00First and foremost, congrats on the medals. They a...First and foremost, congrats on the medals. They are well deserved and earned.<br /><br />And, although I agree with you in your thinking that the BIPA/CDA/IBA style is a bastardization of the porter style, I don’t think this competition is the case to prove it. It appears to me the “style” is driven by a handful of factors, not the least of which are the American hops. You did not use those big citrus hops. If you had used citrus-leaning hops, you would have still made an amazing ale, but I don’t think it would have done as well in the competition. It would have been too far out of style. By using British hops, you made a hoppy porter but not necessarily a BIPA.<br /><br />But I think the BIPA is a new type of hoppy porter. I’d certainly be in favor of calling this sub-category an “American Porter”. In much the same way that I have won medals with my version of Mike McDole’s Janet’s Brown Ale, which is a HUGELY hoppy brown, it would not have done well in the English Brown category. It is borderline out of style for the “American Brown” sub-category, but it works. I’d say that a highly-hopped porter, with distinctly American hops, ought to be an American Porter.Jameyhttp://www.barlowbrewing.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6521229482537361840.post-18904121544845870892010-09-27T08:58:23.411-04:002010-09-27T08:58:23.411-04:00Congrats on the gold, Al. And nice work on the rus...Congrats on the gold, Al. And nice work on the ruse! I'm with you on this whole Black IPA issue.<br /><br />I'd be interested to see how hoppy the Red Coat is, as I'm wondering what your hop utilization was like with the scaled-down recipe. Regardless, I'm glad you took the path you did, and were awarded a medal for it, too!E.S. Deliahttp://relentlessthirst.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6521229482537361840.post-84262663755511372872010-09-27T08:21:38.831-04:002010-09-27T08:21:38.831-04:00Well done Al.Well done Al.--https://www.blogger.com/profile/13513738199324265198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6521229482537361840.post-80580179940692301682010-09-27T07:48:35.512-04:002010-09-27T07:48:35.512-04:00well done on taking Gold and Silver!
Did you see A...well done on taking Gold and Silver!<br />Did you see Andy Crouch Beerscribe 1st sept post, he does link it to porter but also gives you the chance to vote on what to call your 'dark hoppy ales'!!arnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046512935179787759noreply@blogger.com